January 22nd, 2010
Annette Whittemore: Earlier you said that 40% were positive [by VIP Dx]. So describe the fact that if you’re positive, you’re positive. But if you’re negative, you’re not necessarily so?
Dr. Mikovits: Yes, that’s correct. I answered that question based on the samples that came through there. Everyone who is positive [through the test] is definitely positive for having the virus. But we don’t know what the people are, what the doctor is sending in, so the people might not have that disease. So it could be a clearly, distinguishing delineating marker - biomarker - or diagnostic at that point for various diseases. So a doctor might see a spectrum and say “I don’t know, maybe I’d better check.” Because the earlier you catch it, just like cancer. Early detection. Make sure the reservoir is (inaudible), make sure you don’t have that virus multiplying, and you can live a normal life. Don’t let it get (inaudible). You know the commercial out right now is “HIV doesn’t have to equal AIDS”; well XMRV doesn’t have to equal disease. If we keep it down, we keep the immune system strong.
Question: So what you’re saying is you may test negative but not be negative?
Dr. Mikovits: That’s correct. If you do it by the PCR. If you do it by VIP-Dx, at least right now, it’s running along the lines of (inaudible). We’ve got the antibody, and we’ve got three of the four tests. We’ll license it to anyone. We’re a non-profit institute, so everybody pays the same royalty, so any diagnostic company could do the gold standard. But right now, if you test negative, you’re not necessarily negative, even at VIP-Dx. Because we want to go do that serology test. Maybe we can’t find evidence of the virus. But you’ve been exposed, which would be a good thing because your levels are theoretically low, and you’ve just now made the antibodies, so you can prevent disease, as we did with Magic Johnson. But we don’t know anything about the immune response to the virus.
Question: What about transmitting it, when you get pregnant, to a child? I mean, you were talking about breast feeding?
Dr. Mikovits: Well, it is theoretically possible. We don’t know. Gamma retroviruses are vertically transmitted, so the egg and the sperm can be infected and you can actually vertically transmit gamma retroviruses. But this is the first (inaudible), we’ve only studied it for two months. We don’t know. Theoretically it’s possible. If we make those data, it will certainly fall out when we start looking at family studies. The horizontal transmission is the only thing we know about right now. Because, of course, you have to find somebody who just gets infected in order to understand the disease. And since a diagnosis of CFS is being sick for six months. Well, if that’s the only thing we can do is to stop that practice, making somebody wreck their immune system, or be totally sick for six months, that would be a great thing with the discovery. If that’s the only thing that comes of it.
Question: Would you not recommend getting the test again if you did [test negative]? I just took the blood test with my doctor… and he’s part of a study. He didn’t tell me who he sent the samples to, it’s a 20-patient study, so if that came back negative …
Dr. Mikovits: It depends on where it is sent.
Question: Take, for example, VIP-Dx?
Dr. Mikovits: If it’s at VIP-Dx, as soon as we have the serology, we’ll go back and do all the negatives. We save them… We do isolate virus from all of them, but it costs a lot. So if they’re really negative, we won’t isolate virus either. That’s correct. At VIP-Dx, we’re going all the way to virus isolation, because we want to make sure we are sure.
Question: So, at a non VIP-Dx?
Dr. Mikovits: They’re only doing PCR. All bets are off. I showed you almost 60% of them are probably, they’re all false negatives, because very few people can find them.
She claims that there are no false positives, and many false negatives? She does not have ANY data whatsoever to support the sensitivity and specificity of her XMRV test – no less for the VIP Dx XMRV test, which she ditches less then 2 years later. Dr. Judy Mikovits is a fear-mongering shit-bag.